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“I am here because you are here.”
Can we talk about how Obi takes a step back to gain the high ground, cause his light saber training?!?!?
Sometimes I wonder if Qui-Gon was concerned by how much the war had changed Obi-Wan?
Like Qui-Gon would probably understand how his death had affected his apprentice, but the way the movies and The Clone Wars played out they made it seem like Obi-Wan wasn’t permanently scarred by events of The Phantom Menace. Perhaps because he (and everyone else) did think for a while that Darth Maul was dead, they had closure and moved on.
The war was different because it just went on and on and on. The unwavering wariness for confrontation, the growing weariness towards the war… did Qui-Gon notice these qualities developing in Obi-Wan and did it worry him?
I summon you panharmonium to bring out the Jedi Apprentice references.
DIDST THOU SUMMON ME???
ahhh I feel like a mythical creature now hahaha XD
I don’t…guess I have anything really amazing to contribute, but let me gush over this in wayyyy-too-long meta anyway??? Cause damn, if that isn’t one of my favorite lines in the whole series.
I mean, LOOK at it. Obi-Wan doesn’t just take a step back; he takes one and then keeps going. He draws his saber.
Just…pausing to process that for second: Obi-Wan draws his saber on Qui-Gon - or, from his point of view, an apparition taking on Qui-Gon’s form. Which, given what we know about Obi-Wan (that no matter how many times Qui-Gon gets into it with the Council, loyal-to-a-fault Obi-Wan always elects to follow him anyway), seems incredible.
But it makes sense. Obi-Wan has spent years and years forcing himself to accept Death, Qui-Gon’s in particular. This apparition throws everything he knows into a tailspin. He doesn’t believe it. And (in my own personal interpretation, which absolutely no one is obligated to share), I don’t think he believes it even after he puts the saber away, even after he’s had an entire conversation with this thing that walks and talks like the long-dead person he’d loved beyond measure. To me, Obi-Wan is much more likely to interpret “I am here because you are here” as “The Force is tripping on this planet and I am a projection of your own thoughts/wants/needs/memories”, because the alternative is absolutely, positively impossible, cannot be true, Qui-Gon is dead, you can’t have him back, period, the end, we’ve been over this, stop thinking about this absurdity you dealt with that a long time ago there’s a war on get yourself together Kenobi.
But…I am here because you are here.
This says so much, and in so few words - and thank goodness, because Obi-Wan won’t say any of it out loud. You’re right when you talk about the deemphasizing of TPM - Obi-Wan certainly doesn’t talk about it much, and it isn’t referenced much in the show, outside that Maul moment. And of course that’s how it would be - Obi-Wan has been taught since he was a baby to accept and then let go of emotions. It’s not Jedi-appropriate for him to dwell, not encouraged for him to fixate on a loss, and Obi-Wan has always truly believed in the Jedi way, even when it’s a struggle for him. So - he knows he was attached, he knows he failed in that regard, but he does his best to deal with the consequences, and his best means that we don’t see the echoes of Theed anywhere near as much as he’s feeling them.
But then we get a line like this, and whether Obi-Wan is talking to actual!Qui-Gon or to a funky Force projection drawn from Obi-Wan’s own mind, the meaning stays the same: it is with me always. Obi-Wan carries Qui-Gon with him everywhere he goes, in everything he does. This is the line that belies the idea that TPM didn’t affect him much, the one that reminds us what Obi-Wan has been holding, quietly and without complaint, for years. Obi-Wan worked damn hard to come to terms with losing his teacher - parent, in many ways, let’s be real - he worked hard to find the measure of peace he’s achieved - and even though the healing he did is genuine, the loss is never forgotten, either, even if it goes unspoken now more often than not. Everywhere I am, there you are also. Silently, maybe; invisibly, maybe; but present nonetheless.
*slow clap* You’ve done it again pan. I am a fountain of tears ;__;
Just so you know, your interpretation of what Obi-Wan thought that vision really was is actually canon. Anakin said as much in the Yoda arc. Obi-Wan thought it was an illusion formed out of his own memories. But it seems pretty obvious that he was wrong and it actually was Qui-Gon.
Oh! I actually haven’t finished Season 6, so I haven’t even seen the Yoda arc yet (I only just started watching TCW a little while ago and am finally almost at the end X) But hey, that’s pretty cool!
I’m honestly not sure it really was Qui-Gon at all. Yes, that line is heart-wrenching in some ways, but the question Qui-Gon asks “Have you done as I asked? Have you trained the boy?” That sounds like that asshole Father to me, not Qui-Gon.
Because the thing is, why would Qui-Gon need to ask that question? He knows Obi-Wan. Of course Obi-Wan would have trained Anakin. Also, ‘the boy’? Why not call him by name? Plus, if this is Qui-Gon in ghost form, and assuming that Qui-Gon in ghost form is anything like Obi-Wan in ghost form (who advises Luke after death, appears to him in luminous ghosty-form and dreams/visions, and generally gives Luke his marching orders), why would Qui-Gon not already know? If he hangs around Obi-One at all, and considering that Obi-Wan has been joined at the hip with Anakin for the last, what, twelve or so years, especially that first decade?
No. Noooo, I think the likelyhood of that actually being Qui-Gon Jinn is very low. Given that the Shmi dream to Anakin is obviously faked by Son, and that the ‘future vision’ of Ahsoka could easily be faked by Daughter? (think about it. Ahsoka’s adult self in the dream was a Jedi, and implied that Ahsoka would fail because of Anakin. But she didn’t. Ahsoka turned her back on the Jedi of her own choice because the Jedi Council, not Anakin, fucked up. Anakin was the one and ONLY thing that saved her life.) Why is Qui-Gon the exception? Why could that not also be faked by Father?
Is Qui-Gon’s ghost hanging around Obi-Wan? Probably. Is the Qui-Gon we see on Mortis the real Qui-Gon Jinn? I doubt it.
…I now have the mental image of the *real* Qui-Gon Jinn waiting in the force after the faker who impersonated him dies (cough, Father, cough) with an *extremely unhappy* expression on his face. And possibly his lightsaber.
If no one else wants to write this, I might have to. THANK YOU: you would not believe the smile I have right now because of this.
“SO I HEARD YOU’VE BEEN MESSING WITH MY PADAWAN…”
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